Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

the virus certainly doesn't give a damn about what anybody feels or thinks or what party they belong to

 

you do realize that defund the police is a misleading statement designed and perpetuated to install fear. the true intent is to shift some resources from guns and jail cells to mental health counselors and treatment so that police aren't being aske dot engage a mentally challenged person with no other tools in their belt than arrest and confinement. Modernize the police force would be a much more appropriate description than defund the police force.

 

Cancer is not contagious, for one obvious reason.

Aside from that, I don't actually think anyone meets a cancer diagnosis with "relief and joy" - even if they are presented with favorable odds - not until AFTER they've beaten that cancer.

 

It's still a dumb slogan though, and the last part of your post shows you get it. So those that use the slogan are kind of asking for it to blow back on them, even if the blowback is partly based on misinformation and lies.

Demilitarize the police, yes. "Defund" the police, dumb.

 

Beyond the fact that cancer isn’t communicable so the comparison isn’t really apt...
I certainly do not want to get this, but I am not panicked over it, nor are most people. I am legitimately worried I would give it to my 80 year old father, or some random person on the street who later died from it because I was irresponsible in how I behaved. If everyone had that same approach we would already have beaten this.

 

It's both, obvious there are details that need to be addressed.
My point is it doesn't have to be one or the other, but some can't see it any other way (on both sides).

 

Speaking just to the bolded, I think that's a simplistic wish and the facts are not bearing that to be the case.

I don't see it truly fading without an effective vaccine and or treatment course.

 

I have sat in 5 different rooms in which a person was diagnosed with cancer. None of those rooms were filled with "relief and joy."

 

not an unreasonable statement.

 

With the exception of “I touched my mask to make it comfortable, I can’t help but wonder if that put the germs there.” That statement was unnecessary. It’s a continuation of the anti-mask mindset even after he’s tested positive. Also ignores the fact that without the mask, the virus was still present where ever he was, he could have put it on the mask or just breathed it in directly without the mask. Either way, it was present, touching the mask doesn’t create the virus.

 

To be fair I don’t wholly disagree, by “beaten” I would put us at Germany type level - still seeing some cases but no real exponential spread and contact tracing able to be done under the small case weight to stay that way.
But I agree it won’t be “gone” until there is a vaccine.

 

Coronavirus Sweden: 'Very positive' downward trend reported | Daily Mail Online

Interesting that Sweden is doing very well without a big lockdown. I think this is a good example of why schools should open back up. They kept their schools open and had a significantly better death rate than many US states. I don't agree with everything they did but it is an interesting case study.

 

If they are newly dx and then told they have a 95% survival rate odds are they are filled with relief and joy.

 

I am guessing the mortality rate for many things approaches 10% or more if people who are 80+ years old become affected?

 

I would assume that you haven’t had a diagnosis then. Your answer is very telling about your personality.

 

So when given a diagnosis of 95% full recovery they weren’t relieved?

Those five must have the same outlook on life as you.

 

If somebody comes in and says you have cancer and you weren't expecting that, nobody is filled with relief and joy.

 

Teachers and students crave stability. The logistics of changing school and having an unknown portion of students learning online and the rest in-person is the stuff of nightmare for teachers, school administrators, and superintendents. And what if things change in the middle, and someone in a classroom gets infected? Does everyone switch to online?

Then there's still the community aspect of having people in a classroom together. It's not like these teachers and kids are sealed inside their classroom, get beamed into their homes, and never leave either location. It's also not like we can sequester entire households if someone who lives there is higher risk. If someone is an essential worker, even if they live with an high-risk person, the worker still needs to leave the house to do his/her job. The more people in the community with COVID-19, the higher the risk of spread. Hence the term "go viral," which originally related to communicable disease long before it had any video meaning.

And make no mistake, if someone in the class is sick, the disease will spread. The Miami Marlins had about 20 players and coaches all test positive. Do you honestly think the virus will care to differentiate between the Marlin's clubhouse and a school classroom?

The best thing we can do is limit the risk of spread as much as possible right now. Keep the disease out of the community as much as possible. Especially since death isn't the only negative outcome, as many people who have "recovered" have long lasting health issues including blood clotting, lung problems, heart problems, and neurological disorders.

Last, there's no such thing as almost pregnant, minor surgery, and any sort of relief when someone is diagnosed with cancer. My Sister-in-law was 40-years old when she was diagnosed with breast cancer. Caught it so early, it wasn't even classified as stage 1, and she had a 99% chance of survival. But considering my wife lost her aunt and mother to cancer, both before they turned 60, there wasn't any relief at all with the diagnosis. None. Only after she passed the 5-year remission mark did we celebrate at all and felt any sort of relief.

 

No, most people don't look at "You have cancer" as a good thing, even if it could have been worse. If somebody says you have cancer and comes back a week later and says that you have the type with the higher survival rate, then there might be some relief, but that is just because the set of options has changed.

You clearly don't have an understanding of the basic logic of decision trees. If your options are cancer or no cancer, then nobody feels relief about the cancer diagnosis. If the no cancer option has already been eliminated, then your choices are more or less deadly cancer, then there might be some relief at having the less deadly form, since "no cancer" is no longer an option. But that doesn't change the fact that the elimination of the no cancer node was not a moment of joy or relief for almost anybody.

And by the way, you should use past tense for 4 of them, as they are no longer alive. But that probably doesn't help your glibness.

 

And then in the next breath say "you have a 95% chance you live just fine" they are.
Seen it countless times, first hand......