Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Unfortunately, the maga crowd appears to be all about "everyone gets a trophy". Don't really need to be the best or even in medal contention, I guess "not sucking" is good enough for some.
Doesn't seem like MAGA, more like ALBTB (At least better than Belgium).

 

your math excludes the fact that they have had a far better overall result.

US - cases per million: 13,292
Deaths per million: 453

Germany - cases per million: 2471
Deaths per million : 110


And this doesn’t even account for the fact that our numbers are currently climbing light years faster than theirs are. Germany reported 330 cases and zero deaths today. They are under control, and we aren’t, not vaguely, not remotely, not even a little bit.

if you honestly are going to argue with a straight face that we have done anything better than Germany in this or even try to draw a vague equivalency, I will seriously consider that the last straw and put you on ignore.

 

I would have thought your argument was obvious, even for those with harvard style math.
US has a lot more people getting infected and a lot more dying per capita, but hey, buckeye found an obscure number where the US is doing better on this disaster.

 

plesae, pretty please, you just do not want to see any good news, just keep banging the greece and south korea drum.

 

death rate is a obscure number, news to me, guess cases per million, tests per million, deaths per million are all just obscure numbers, seems to me the lowest death rate since mid-april would be a good thing, guess i was wrong, lets get it up to 10%, a non-obscure number.

 

I am more than fine with good news. The overall death rate is falling, we may have peaked in cases again short term, the early states haven’t seen massive recurrences to this point. But that’s only Aa small part of a much bleaker picture, which you seem pathologically unable to accept. Reasonable discussion I enjoy, but that’s not what these exchanges are. Though a kudos is in order I guess that you didn’t mention Cuomo.

But respond however you like, I won’t see it.

 

A few things to remember. Italy was hit hard early, before much of what we have learned in regards to treatment. Had we been hit a few months earlier, our death rate would have likely been higher because hospital treatment today is better than it was 5 months ago. Kudos to our medical and research staffs who have the difficult job.

But also remember, death is a lagging indicator. And even if the death rate is significantly lower today than it was 5 months ago, our rate of new, daily cases far outpaces just about every other industrialized nation outside of Brazil. Whereas they have spread under control, we have places where we hope have peaked, and others that likely haven't. And even in places like Arizona where we have likely peaked, what's to stop it from spreading like wildfire again, especially with a significant portion of the population who still thinks it's a hoax, won't wear masks, and won't socially distance unless forced to?

 

And for the country as a whole we are at 150k covid deaths (in 5 months) compared to about 19,000 to 20,000 homicides in a typical year. By the time a full year of covid is in, the data will show 10 or 15 times more Americans died from covid than homicide. But I know, I know, it's mostly old people...

 

Fall is coming. Covid - 19, for all we know, may continue to mutate into more or less lethal forms. Damage to those whom catch this disease may be much worse than originally thought. Whats sure is the full scale of this disease is not yet understood. Children, in Florida, are dying from it, with recent reports that 5 young children have passed on from it.

Now the Federal Gov't is pressuring schools to re-open. Given that our health care providers seem to be in paralysis as to exactly how to handle the virus, does reopening schools make sense? Could that be a formula that just spreads sickness and death to states all over the country?

So far this disease has whipped the US at many levels, every level, I would say. States, like my own, PA, is seeing almost a doubling of new infections since our partial reopening and we are no where near Arizona, Texas, Florida levels. This Covid - 19 is just going to continue to flare up, over and over and over in different communities and sadly start in again on those areas that think it's whipped - NY, NJ, MASS etc.

The toll is rapidly approaching 150,000 and schools all over this nation may open in the next 2 - 5 weeks.

Parents with kids in school, especially the little ones, know all about the cold, flu, cough season every year cause the kids constantly bring that stuff home
from school. Schools is a dang virus incubator the way I see it.

So now we just put Covid in that mix? My prediction:

March - July = 150,000 dead
August - October = Another 150,000 dead schools shut down
November - January = Another 150,000

I predict 450,000 dead Americans by end of Jan. unless the Federal Gov't, the states and territories decide to get real, put a United Effort, and comprehensive action plan in place. This includes throwing the full weight of the law against those whom refuse to participate.

Or......we can just keep dying.

 

I gave you facts and you give a "but" total deaths. Thanks for the reminder that we have a lot of elderly dying. If you hadn't said anything I would've totally forgotten.

 

well, according to oklahomagator's chart, on june 16 the death rate was 5.44, today it is 3.44. in the 6 weeks since june 16, average new daily cases is 49,727. average daily deaths are 690. granted new cases have sharply risen since the 1st of july, as have daily deaths, but you would have thought it would be higher, given the increase in cases.got this info from covid19 tracking, so it might be a little off, also, the average daily death in the month of july, when the sharp rise in new cases started , 61,243 daily average, is still 707, how long until the rapid death increase, i thought 3-4 weeks was the norm.

 

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/pediatric_report_latest.pdf

5 children under 18 have died in Florida. You do realize that is a small fraction of the number of kids who die from the Flu/Pneumonia in Florida each year. So lets keep things in perspective a little bit.

 

You also realize that we are in a time with a fraction of normal interaction kids have with each other during the normal school year, as school hasn't been in session since March. And kids give each other the flu in school on a regular basis, but how many of the 5 kids who died from COVID-19 got the disease from a classmate in school?

Remember, it's not just kid deaths either, as they are less likely to die from COVID. It's community spread that's the issue, as the infected kids get their teachers, bus drivers, parents, and care givers sick. Just look at what happened in Israel when they opened schools back in June. An increase in the spread of disease from very low levels to very high levels.

Schools are germ factories and children are the worker bees. The average school age kid gets some sort of germ, depending on age, between 4-8 times a year. Adults, about 2, and that's because adults have a more mature immune system that can fight off known infections much faster. Nobody, and I repeat, nobody is immune from COVID-19. It's a novel virus. Reopen schools too quickly and it will cause community spread as kids interact with other kids and school personnel, who bring the virus home, and spread it to local grocery stores, etc. Not only will there likely be more than 5 dead kids, but many more dead adults.

 

I pointed this out because some folks seem to think children are immune or do not catch or get sick from this stuff. That does not seem to be the case.

I grant you that the demographics for 'deaths" of children is still quite low.
My concern is what those kids are bringing into family living rooms that house Grandma, Grandpa, ME (I'm 61) and so forth and so on.

 

The poster stated school aged kids will be dying and 5 kids thru this long of a time period is a very small amount. Kids are around adults and other kids constantly. Don’t think just because school isn’t in session that kids aren’t running around playing. I love in Florida and I don’t see social distancing between kids at all in my neighborhood. It’s why the CDC and Pediatricians are recommending kids go back to school.

 

I have two kids, aged 15 and 6 (turning 7 in Sept). Each hasn't seen more than 3 friends at a time, and that was for my 15-year-old birthday in mid June, when cases weren't so bad. Maybe I'm being too restrictive, but I really don't want COVID-19 brought to my house. I know many parents who feel the same way.

And even kids playing in neighborhoods are nowhere near the level of interaction they get in school. Do 20+ kids spend 7 or more hours a day, inside, with their neighbors like they do in a classroom? No, unless you are running a basketball camp and using only small, half-court settings.

Even a dozen kids running around, outside, for a few hours every couple of days comes nowhere near the interaction these kids will have at school. Which again, will be mostly indoors in classrooms, with 20 or more kids in class, for 7 or more hours a day. It just doesn't compare.

Read the story about Israel again. They first opened schools with small pods of less than 10 children per "class." That didn't change the infection rate significantly, but was also unsustainable. So they opened school back up completely, thinking full classrooms would mirror the results of the pod. Nothing else changed in the country, but a few weeks after schools opened, the country's infection rate shot up way past alarming levels.

Put kids in a classroom setting in areas of high infection rate, and it's a guarantee that a sick kid with COVID will be in class at one point. And that kid will infect other kids, who will infect other kids and school personnel, and the virus will only spread as everyone takes the illness home with them. It's not if, it's when. And then what?

 

Young kids don’t transmit the virus like older kids do. My kids 14 and 15 will be doing in person HS starting in a couple of weeks in Florida. Have zero concerns about them getting sick nor having them transmit it to myself or my wife. There is a reason the CDC and Pediatricians are recommending kids go back to school. And if kids don’t do in person schooling it will affect the poor and minority communities more so than affluent kids. We need to think about the significant problems of having kids not doing in person schooling(abuse/social/suicide) that will increase with keeping kids at home. It’s not an easy decision but the right one for my family.

 

Kids 10 and above transmit the virus like adults. Younger than 10, at about 1/2 the rate. If you live in an area that is in the red zone, you should be worried about your kids getting the virus and bringing it home. Even with my younger, who is heading into 2nd grade, he'll be in a classroom with about 21 other kids. Throw in a teacher and that's equivalent to 12 adults in one room. And if adults act like whiny, little kids when it comes to wearing masks, does anyone honestly think the kids will act any better?

And yes, the poor and minority areas will be hit the hardest when it comes to distance learning. But they will also likely be the hardest hit when it comes to viral spread, since their health isn't as likely as good as those middle class or higher, if they work, they are less likely to be able to work from home, and when they get sick, they are likely to wait longer to seek medical attention because they can't afford it. If the kids fall behind due to distance learning, they can catch up. If they are sick and their parents are in the hospital or worse, then the outcomes will be even worse.

With that said, the next stimulus package should include money for devices and connectivity for underprivileged kids. And not just for COVID, but for the future. Jobs are going to more and more technical in the future, and kids with proper tech when they are young are more likely to be able to adapt to future tech. But this is fodder for a thread about institutional racism...

To go back to COVID, the Israel results should scream having all students back at school right now in areas of high rates will mean community spread. It shouldn't just be just about the health of the students, but the health of all adults they come into contact. And all those people these people come into contact.

 

Fourteen family member get sick, one dead thus far after backyard bbq.

People who keep wanting happy talk need a reality check.

 

And Germany has studies showing it doesn’t spread. I’m not worried at all for my family. Happy to be having them go back to school.