Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

No, death reports at an individual level for all causes are not without errors. Never have been. There is a reason that most death counts are listed as a range rather than a point estimate on CDC's website.

The process that they are using for Covid declarations at an individual level are the same as they are for any other cause.

 

Trump won Utah by a 2 to 1 total over Hillary in 2016. Utah has only ever voted for a democratic presidential candidate 2x in its history. The last time was Lyndon B Johnson in 1968. They may not like Trump, but they will vote for him again in 2020.

As a Mormon, I do think that Romney is safe for as long as he chooses to remain a senator representing Utah however.

 

And no hospital would ever add Covid to get extra federal money for a patient? There are good and bad people in the world. And I don't think hospitals are immune from administrators "gaming" the system, especially when these hospitals are hemorrhaging money because they can't do routine surgeries.

Fact check: Medicare pays hospitals more money for COVID-19 patients

I believe some, not all hospitals are doing this and it is skewing the numbers. All I think most people want is accurate numbers. Only a few jaded people want there to be more or less Covid cases.

 

Again, the empirical evidence is that the overall effect of reporting issues is to underestimate the number of estimates. At best, this proposed (but so far not empirically supported) hypothesis decreases the undercounting effects that have been empirically supported.

 

I read the report, but they don't seem to take into account increased suicide and drug overdoses during the pandemic. I know some places are having very high upticks in those.

More People Died of Suicide Than Coronavirus in Tennessee Last Week

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@FeeBart

You throw the bacon and can't give a reason why you disagree?
I've worked in hospitals for almost 35 years, we always are short on staff for ICU beds. We would go to the units all the time when we had ER holds for days and see empty beds all over but no nurses.
The same is true now, if we cut back on elective procedures that would free up both beds and staff.

Please explain what you disagree with on those two points, TY

 

There has been no empirical evidence of a lift in deaths due to suicide overall. 2 days of data from one county in Tennessee is not a reasonable basis on which to make that claim. Regardless, given that less than 2% of all deaths are suicides, even a substantial increase in suicides would not cover the empirical effects found by the study I linked.

 

good luck

 

That was an agree

 

Fat mouse click?

 

Fixed...

 

...and in the end, we are ALL rooting for the same team.

 

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Yeah they probably will vote for Trump, but I just don’t think they like him enough to turn on Romney.

In fact, his overall approval rating there turned negative last month.

Trump's job approval in Utah slides into negative territory

 

Yes. They messed up in this case. The guy said as much in the video in the link you provided. He even said they might have corrected it, but further investigation suggested that it wasn't.

This is one instance. There are probably others - tens? Maybe hundreds? I'll give you a thousand if it makes you feel better. But you need to acknowledge that there are also wide reports of thousands of excess deaths in multiple states, a significant portion of which are almost certainly covid related. Logic says that thousands of excess deaths tends to outweigh a few instances where a death was improperly attributed to covid. So let's do like the guy suggested in the video, and take the official number as the "best number we have from the data currently available" while tracking covid deaths.

 

And in Utah, conservative candidate Evan McMullen got over 20% in a show non-support for Trump.

 

If covid caused a stroke which resulted in the accident is it a covid death?

 

Now we are making crap up? What if aliens killed him first? Probably still ruled a Covid death. Come on dude.