Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

He may have got it there or any number of places.

I have numerous friends who have it currently and none have any clue where they got it. Thankfully only 1 is very sick (terrible Diabetic very obese) nobody in his home has it and he had no clue where he got it and always wore a mask due to his DM.

 

Again, We are now WELL past the time period deaths spike for NY in relations to their spike in cases.

What is the virus waiting for here in Florida?

Did you even look at the dates I provided which came directly from:
New York Coronavirus: 429,982 Cases and 32,485 Deaths (COVID-19 ) - Worldometer

 

There are still many open ICU bed available but they don't have nurses to cover them (which is the case for the last 20+ years. )
They could shut down non emergent elective procedures and frankly should in South Florida, but the hospitals can make that call(they don't want to because they make 60% of their money on those things.)

 

It is cherry picking a bit. Sweden, for example, never locked down. They kept their primary schools and restaurants open the entire time. They should be a cautionary tale for people who think we should do the same here.

England first tried for herd immunity early on, before quickly changing course and locking down. They are currently bending the curve of total cases, and death totals are down as well. Given current trajectories, it won't be long before the US passes the UK in mortality per capita. Since July, the UK has reported, 1,255 deaths with a population of 66.5 million. That same time, the US reported 9,465 deaths with a population of 330 million. The US has a 7.54% times the number of deaths with a population that is only 4.96%. Again, this is July 1 - 14.

 

You think all these old dumbasses in FL refusing to wear masks have some special immunity that New Yorkers didn't?

I think obviously the fact some (I’d dare even say a majority) are taking it seriously and wearing a mask is a good thing. NYC didn’t really have that opportunity, nor did they have the wealth of knowledge of dealing with thousands of previous cases. Maybe that semi-seriousness means it doesn’t reach the NY peak. Yet, the rapid increase in cases obviously portends bad things coming. It doesn’t have to be as bad as NYC to be far worse than it needed to be, given we had the advantage of looking at the rest of the world the stupidity and disinformation is really shameful at this stage.

 

Physics haven't changed, but our understanding of transmission has improved. The entire masks-don't-work premise of that article is built upon this sentence:

"We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection."

NEJM is reputable and I'm sure that 3 months ago, they believed that to be true. We now know that's not true.

 

Even Texas has banned elective surgeries, If South Florida hospitals are still open for elective procedures it is practically criminal at this stage as they would almost certainly be spreading COVID inside their hospitals.

 

Again, we have now spiked well beyond when NY started to see huge deaths in relation to their spike in cases.

If you keep claiming its coming for Florida, what is it waiting for??

 

The current increases in infection won't see death rates as high because there is much more known in how to treat and people are getting tested sooner, so there is more runway to treat them.

But that doesn't mean this isn't serious shit. People will still die, and some unknown amount (because it has not been studied well enough) will also end up with permanent disabilities. We talk about how little risk younger people are for death, but we don't understand about the disability part of the equation. We haven't had time to really focus on that yet.

It's great that death rates aren't as high as they were initially. But this is nothing to be trifled with.

 

Gov. Ivey issues statewide mask order

Alabama

 

Back when NYC was spiking - testing was a major issue, they likely had many times more cases than they ever captured with the early tests.

Frankly, we don’t know where Florida is relative to New York’s curve. But we do know cases started spiking in FL, yes, the average age is much lower. Yet...now hospitalizations have started spiking, which is the more dire issue, as we know a good % of people never leave the ICU.l, they take up a spot for weeks before passing. The problem is if we don’t act, this doesn’t magically “go away”. Should we wait to actually see people dying in waiting rooms? Because that’s what happens if this keeps up another month...

 

It is a damn virus we know little about. The best you can ever do with something like that is protect those who it hurts the most. That is life in general.

With that said, you can tell people all kinds of things, thats not going to stop everyone from doing something that could kill them. If an elderly person goes out in crowded spaces, that is on them. If someone smokes for years... thats on them.

 

I agree that NYC likely had higher cases. How does that change the fact that we are seeing higher case spikes now and still not even close in daily deaths.

The truth is, we treat it better, protected the elderly better, and most of our cases are now are younger healthy people.

 

Our recent spike in “cases” has been going on for like 1-2 weeks.

Do you think people just drop dead instantly or something? The ones that get seriously ill take weeks in the ICU. The ICU issues have only been popping for a week.

My sisters hospital had it down to *1 *case from the original high in the 20’s. About a week after the cases started, it pretty quickly went to 5 and then 10 and last check was 19 cases. All this basically in a week. Pretty good tracking with the rest of south Florida. People then start progressing to ICU, and odds are still bad there (especially if intubation is required). The problem is, there’s not yet a sign this is topping out. What if instead of topping out at 25 cases, there are 100? 200? There’s a level where this hospital could no longer provide care, and the hospital itself becones a vector for the disease, and some spots in FL are starting to see that. Then repeat that all across the state. NYC was testing their limits, I’m concerned FL is about to on a much broader scale (I.e multiple different cities).

 

Like i said before, it took NY just over a month before numbers started coming down as did most countries. I wouldn't expect it any different here. If by Aug 5th we are still well above 5k, than my opinion will change.

A nurse I spoke to here in Pinellas county said most of the people coming in are more anxious about the virus than what is really going on with them. She did say that a lot of 50+ people who are overweight/diabetic or have other serious issues are struggling the most with it and what is dominating the ICUs here. Fortunately though Hospitals are still taking in elective surgery and they have not raised any major alarms to overwhelming covid patients.

 

have a feeling alot of crow going to be eaten by one side or the other, either a big rise in deaths, or none at all, one group is going to have egg on their face.

 

We won't hit NY peak death rates, for a lot of reasons that have been discussed at length in this thread. But deaths have tripled in FL since the end of May and will likely continue to go up for a while. And Florida's current 7 day average for deaths is now about 4 times higher than what NY's currently is. That's what we are talking about -- learning from experience. Many places are learning and making things better. Florida isn't learning and is making things worse.

 

Deaths have already tripled. You keep moving the goal posts.

 

I will be ecstatic to eat crow on this one. Serve it up boiled and I'll eat every bite (feathers and all).

 

But who really cares about 'eating crow' and 'egg on the face'? It's not a rival football teams debate. This is very real and very serious.