Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Where does the 2% death rate come from?

Why would we ignore the over 65 population?

 

Weird, yet sad statistic. The state of Florida reported more new Covid-19 positive tests yesterday, July 14th, than S Korea has reported for the entire Pandemic (15,000+ vs 13, 600). That is embarrassing and sad.

 

There's a John Ford movie called "They Were Expendable." Maybe that's the idea.

 

What do you expect with a governor who clings to the coattails of Donald Trump?

 

Kind of flies in the face of the “we just have to accept it, nothing we could do about it” and “you can’t fight Mother Nature” arguments. They literally have to ignore reality to generate those arguments.

 

Not sure whether anyone has noticed the irony, the same conservatives (collectively) who were screaming that the ACA would authorize "death panels" that would "throw grandma under the bus" (incorrectly by the way) are now advocating reopening the economy even if it would result in greater risk to persons over the age of 65. Essentially, the same folks who feigned concern with older Americans based on a false narrative are now willing to actually increase the risk to the health of same senior citizens based on a political agenda.

 

Relatively simple explanation: it’s because the people who most loudly argue for morality or “Christian values” almost never actually have any of their own. This has been laid bare in their undying support of the heathen charlatan in the Oval Office, one whose lies and incompetence have resulted in 10’s of thousands of additional deaths. Whose depraved immorality is the exact opposite the holier-than-thou would demand of someone outside their Christian gang affiliation. Indeed, they have devolved both politics and religion into not much more than than this “with us or against us” mentality. It’s truly sad what it has become, and I doubt the country survives this level of depravity. It wouldn’t make sense to.

Cults rarely end well for anyone involved, least of all the cult members.

 

If you guys keep letting Louisville gaslight you, at some point it’s on you not him.

 

What basis do you have that nobody "cares about the flu"? Every single year I encourage those around me to get the flu vaccine and be extra careful during the peak. I check with my grandparents to make sure they got the flu & pneumonia vaccine. I stay home when I'm sick and encourage others to do the same. I'm vigilant about washing hands and try to avoid super crowded places. Is that not "caring about the flu"? I'm sure your point is "bUt We DoN't sHuT DoWN fOr THe fLu" and that's true because it happens every. single. year. It is a known quantity and we have a vaccine and anti-virals. It's not the same whatsoever.

 

That takes into account all the death in March, April, May. If we're looking at the last 30 days, it's more like 2%.

 

Eh, I'll worry about that when I actually start thinking I'm crazy and his nonsense is reality.

 

Most of those cases haven't been resolved yet. This seems a dishonest way of looking at the death rate.

 

Yeah, if you only look at cases that haven't been resolved for the most part, the death rate goes way down!

And if you apply a rule-of-thumb for the time period when we had fewer tests to the time when we have more tests, then the death rate really plummets!

 

If you then remove anyone over 65, all the deaths from NY/NJ, & completely forget about all the extra deaths that can't be accounted for basically nobody died!

 

@LouisvilleGator asked for proof that hospitals are being overrun. I provided it, without much context. Louisville's response? Snark. Just goes to show the relationships many Conservatives today have with facts. Even when provided with the proof they ask for, they don't accept it when it goes against their desired outcome.

As for the flu, at its worst, it kills 60,000 people a year. And this is when things are "normal," with all kids in schools, all sporting events going on, and everything open. COVID-19 has already killed 130,000 and growing, and this during a time since March, that few schools have been opened, no major or college sporting events have happened, and much of the country has been on lock down of some sort for a time period. Really want to guess the mortality total of COVID-19 had we not taken any precautions?

There are also simple, effective ways to reduce flu deaths. One, everyone who can take a vaccine should get the flu vaccine. This will go a long way towards herd immunity. Two, everyone who is sick should stay home and avoid others. The flu has a short incubation period of usually 24-48 hours between infection and onset of symptoms. But how many people go to work or send their sick kids to school with flu-like symptoms? Sure, there would still be asymptomatic spread potential with the flu, but only for one to two days maximum.

With COVID-19, the incubation period between infection and onset of symptoms has been reported to be 4 to 14 days. Anyone feeling sick absolutely has to stay home and avoid others, but the time period for asymptomatic spread for COVID-19 is somewhere between 2 and 14 times longer than the flu. If we took precautions, got everyone eligible a flu shot, and kept everyone sick at home, we could cut flu deaths down by half? Maybe more? As of today, there is no COVID-19 vaccine, and the time/risk of asymptomatic spread likely renders just keeping sick people home an ineffective deterrent.

 

935. You pretty much nailed it.

 

I was thinking Midsommar

 

Do you have kids in school (middle/HS) then you would know why for many it sucks.

 

And by that trend to keep cases down permanently we need to stay shut down until a vaccine is approved..
California shut down very early and stayed closed longer and was very heavy in their shutdown. At it still didn't go away.