Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

how about that, more money for hospitals to claim off of dead people, cha-ching.

 

I saw something similar with COVID-19 deaths actually being 28% higher than reported via the excess death method. A huge caveat to running with that number is the annual variance in excess deaths, which was not included in the article. I'm also curious as to the collateral deaths associated with a pandemic (stress, isolation, etc).

 

That essay from the Swiss immunologist was kind of odd and struck me as trying too hard to stand out from the crowd. But the oddest part was where he basically said there is no such thing as an asymptomatic carrier. I feel like it's well-established, if poorly understood, that a number of diseases can have infected people who show no symptoms but are still infectious. Typhoid Mary comes to mind.

 

better treatment options are reducing deaths

look...at...the...big...picture

covid impact isn't just measured in deaths.

from mid June
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article243642517.html

Not all of those beds are occupied by coronavirus patients, but North Carolina continues to set one-day highs with the number of people hospitalized with COVID-19 — which peaked at 857 on Thursday, according to the N&O.

“Right now our hospitals do have bed capacity and that’s good,” Gov. Roy Cooper said Monday. “But as Dr. Mandy Cohen can tell you, that can change quickly.” Cohen is secretary of the N.C. Department of Health and Human Services.

It’s a similar picture across much of the Southeast.

 

did that number (28%) account for the large decrease in deaths from traffic accidents that ahs resulted from the shutdown?

 

Is there any proof that MEs across the country are risking their careers? Are these all just deep state doctors?

 

A Spanish study today disagrees Herd immunity strategies called into question after coronavirus antibody study in Spain

 

I didn't see anything about permanent lung damage in any of the articles you posted.

I did see in what you quoted that said the virus CAN still be causing MILD, although LIKELY REVERSIBLE harm to their lungs. Nothing you posted has said there is wide spread long term lung damage to folks with mild cases.

 

208k deaths by November 1 now. And 40k lives would be saved simply by the deniers wearing masks. But, freedom and whatnot. God we are a dumb country. I would say we are getting what we deserve, but innocent people doing the right thing will be a large percentage of those needless 40k.

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

 

With covid being so new the best they can do is to look at how other coronaviruses acted but evidence of "ground glass" lung damage seems to be mounting and lung damage is just one of several long term complications that may occur. perhaps this is a better article a sit breaks it down by organ/system. Clotting/strokes, heart damage, lung damage. neuro damage are all covered in this article but they did not mention kidney problems that I have read about elsewehre

What we know (so far) about the long-term health effects of Covid-19

Lung damage
Research shows some patients experience lung symptoms such as pain and a dry cough, weeks after recovering from the virus.

Physicians have also found evidence of scarring in Covid-19 patients' lungs. According to Parshley, some CT scans show Covid-19 patients have light gray patches on their lungs called "ground-glass opacities," which don't always heal. One Chinese study found the patches in 77% of patients, Parshley reports.

Brennan explained that the "virus creates an incredibly aggressive immune response" that causes "spaces [in the lungs to be] filled with debris and pus, making your lungs less pliable." According to Brennan, this type of lung damage can be permanent and could result in reduced lung capacity. "Routine things, like running up a flight of stairs, would leave these individuals gasping for air," he said.

While it's too soon to tell whether the lung damage in Covid-19 patients will be permanent, research shows that about one third of survivors of similar coronaviruses such as SARS and MERS had long-term lung damage.

 

I would think its safe to say this is probably the exception and not the rule. I have 4 friends that have been infected, none had symptoms and are all totally fine now. They are all very fit and big time runners, all were still running while infected. Obviously this is anecdotal but until there are widespread studies I don't believe a large number of folks who have mild cases will have lung term lung damage.

I still don't see anything in what you linked that states mild cases are having long term lung issues. Of course severely ill patients can have long term issues. I don't think this would surprise anybody.

This is the very first sentence of your article.

As researchers continue to uncover the long list of Covid-19 symptoms, some physicians are beginning to explore the disease's possible long-term effects on patients with more SEVERE symptoms, Lois Parshley reports for Vox. Here's what the research shows so far.

 

What part of that differs from what I said? It can change, which I have consistently noted, but at the time of reopening we were hitting the targets.

 

Do you have that link?

 

Hospitalized WITH COVID or FROM Covid? Hospitals are testing every patient that walks through the door. I would like to know if a patient comes in with chest pains and tests positive, are they counted as a COVID hospitalization? If you are positive you obviously have to be isolated to a COVID unit if the hospital has one, so I wouldn't think its far fetched to think they are counting those as COVID hospitilazations.

That's another issue I think would be helpful, are they classifying those that die with COVID and from COVID both as COVID fatalities? That's a major difference.

 

in new york

 

Where was New York going to put those people? Again, put in context what they were doing and when they were doing it

 

It was a study. Science applied.

 

You have 4 friends who had COVID and instead of quarantine, they meet jogging. Running and breathing. Sorry if your sources are dubious. And. By chance, have they had their lungs imaged?

 

Well, holiday weekend back log is certainly impacting things, but deaths and cases are well up from last Tuesday, Arizona and Texas set new highs for daily deaths, and the numbers aren’t fully in.

 

Yes. I will also add this link to my post above. Herd immunity strategies called into question after coronavirus antibody study in Spain