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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. NavyGator93

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    You bring up good points with re-opening and testing. Contact tracing among the homeless and those that interact with them would complicate things, but it doesn't make tracing impossible. Let's face, the bulk of the US has very little interaction with people in the shadows.
     
  2. gatorpa

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    So even more people have it than we think.... ?
     
  3. MaceoP

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    For people in the shadows, i was referring to legally.. Many undocumented do interact and work, however i'm sure a large percentage of them would not want to be contact traced. IMO, between people who are here circumventing the legal process, the homeless, gang members, people who have substance abuse issues.. I would guess we probably are closer to 30 million people. To compare us to South Korea or Singapore, IMO, is a waste of time. We are completely different in so many ways.
    I will reiterate what i said. We should try and keep ramping up testing and also make a better effort on contact tracing. I agree with that, I just don't think the contact tracing will be very effective
     
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  4. gatorpa

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    I saw hundreds perhaps thousands of H1N1 patients in 09' there were NO school closures in my area.

    If they keep letting it get into nursing homes the death toll will go up dramatically BOOK IT.
     
  5. philnotfil

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    Were those patients schoolchildren?
     
  6. G8trGr8t

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    not sure how widespread this test is yet. this is something dear leader wanted so dear leader got. those quick approvals from FDA are politically motivated and providing us some junk science, like most of the early antibody tests, hydroxy, and who knows what shiny bauble is next to be tweeted into FDA approval.
     
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  7. G8trGr8t

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    they need to quit returning infected patients to nursing homes. the whole "can you do it" test for return is stupid.
     
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  8. G8trGr8t

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  9. OklahomaGator

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    It is off 30,000. I typed 13,210 instead of 43,210. dropped death rate back to 5.99
     
  10. gatorpa

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    Yes, I would set 5-10 kids daily, my wife and 3 kids got it.
     
  11. gatorpa

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    The Abbott test is widely used, it was touted by MANY people not just dear leader, he's following the lead on the scientists. I guarantee he isn't look at the accuracy data that was done initially.
    And that the issue, study 1000 people is one thing studying 100,000 is another. That's how some FDA approved drug make it to market then after 3-5 years and millions of does more data comes to light. Look up Baycol
     
  12. philnotfil

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    I find it odd that the schools those kids attended didn't close, that was the CDC guidance, if you have a sick student, everyone goes home for at least a week.
     
  13. NavyGator93

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    Sorry, I somewhat misunderstood.
    However, I still believe contact tracing has value. The bulk of the US pop probably doesn't interact much with gang members, the homeless....
    Except for work we do in the summer volunteering in downtown ATL, my family generally doesn't interact with people in the shadows. A lot of people see homeless or shadow population, but how many actually interact enough to catch the Virus? Certainly not so many that we shouldn't attempt tracing.
     
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  14. gatorpa

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    Agree, there is some massive liability issue here. Trouble is if you have a Nursing home patient in hospital do they stay in the hospital until they are cleared? Hospitals aren't allow to keep people admitted unless they have a reason they need to me in hospital its medicare fraud if they do...
    Morgan and Morgan have filed to investigate for negligence a local Nursing home where 16 deaths from "covid" occurred. Mind you at least one of the patients was on hospice for Liver CA with Mets to the brain.

    Look for massive suits nationwide, don't be shocked when many nursing homes go bankrupt or out right close. Bad situation
     
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  15. gatorpa

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    Just goes to show the "CDC" guidance is just that guidance.

    My family was lucky I tested them early and treated with Tamiflu, my son has a teacher now who's 13 year old died from it back then.
     
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  16. oragator1

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    I would love to see the math on the 13 years piece. I was actually doing it today to compare this event to that one.
    Current (with estimates, anyone can use their own numbers)
    Average years lost per death: 10
    Number of deaths: 87k
    Number of years lost total: 870k
    Number of people in US: 330m
    Average years lost per person: .0026
    Times 365 (for days): .96
    So at this point, the average person has lost one day of their life to the virus.

    Spanish Flu:
    Average years lost per death: 30 (guess but it hit much younger people)
    Number of deaths: 675k (est)
    Number of years lost total: 20,250,000
    Number of people in the US: 103m
    Average years lost per person: .196
    Times 365 for days: 72 days

    so to date, in terms of years lost, 1918 was about 70 times more impactful.
    Now a few caveats there, we are of course nowhere near done, and the fact that the Spanish flu went after younger people greatly impacts those numbers. And the 30 years was just an estimate, someone can look up for more specific info and plug the numbers in. Even if it’s less, it’s impact was crazy high.

    but in the flip side, the death rate across the US for the Spanish flu was somewhere around .6 percent. NYC is at around .25 percent right now, so they are almost halfway there. This really is a historic event.
     
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  17. gator95

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    Wonder why this isn't all over the major news networks? Georgia has now been open for three weeks & cases, hospitalizations and deaths continue to decline. Why isn’t Georgia the number one story in America? Simple: because the news is good.
     

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  18. mdgator05

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    Did you miss the part where they said that the data for the last 2 weeks is incomplete? The state doesn't gather all of the data instantly.

    Georgia's counties have already reported 704 new cases today.

    United States Coronavirus: 1,470,067 Cases and 87,707 Deaths - Worldometer
     
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  20. gator95

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    No not at all. Numbers are down from 3 weeks ago. And lets not forget this nice article. No fear porn here...

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    I know this upsets all the "lets stay home and guarantee Trump loses in November" crowd but this is good news.
     
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