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No one is debunking that because it is a valid argument. The problem is the conclusions he draws from that true piece of information.

 

CA is a huge state, lots of international travel, and had some of the initial (known) outbreaks (along with Washington state). At the early stages of this, they were assumed to be a potential catastrophe - but it turned out NYC quickly took over as the global hot spot. While CA kept it relatively in check. FL and Texas also so far are "in check" in terms of deaths. Could be that weather helps mitigate it. There are many conflicting things. I have always assumed public transit plays a huge rule, other than Louisiana (Mardis Gras) most of the hardest hit spots rely more on subway and trains. California, Texas, Florida actually suck at public transit, which I guess is a good for not incubating viral outbreaks.

U.S. COVID-19 death rate by state | Statista

 

I think he has legitimate concern about the health of the nation moving forward. This will change how a lot of people live their lives from now on. And that may not necessarily be for the better.

 

I agree alternative points of view are good. But they should be based on science, and facts on the ground. The full video is 50 minutes, they basically proclaim social distancing a mistake despite the fact that they aren’t experts in the field and their entire tie to Covid is being a local tester for their county. They are a pair of urgent care doctors who are losing business because people won’t come in. There’s a reason both national physicians organizations took the extraordinary step of rebuking them and questioning their motives.

“A joint statement issued Monday by two national physicians’ groups is rebuking two local doctors for statements they made last week regarding an end to stay-at-home orders and other restrictions. The statement called their remarks, "reckless and untested musings."

The statement was in reference to statements made by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Messihi of Accelerated Urgent Care. It went on to say, "As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.”


Joint statement issued by national physicians’ groups calls local doctors' statement "reckless and untested musings"

 

The flu vaccine exposes you to a dead version of the virus which causes your immune system to build up immunity. It's similar to just getting exposed to the actual virus.

 

If you include all citizens, a targeted isolation would result in much lower numbers. High risk stay home, low risk out and about and build the herd immunity.

 

This may end up being inevitable. We are eventually going to have to choose the lesser of two evils.

 

Yeah, I know how it works. I’ll take my chances against the flu. I’ll take my chances against covid when that vaccine comes out too.

 

Your avatar says it all.

 

This is a curious position.

Do you say this about Ebola? HIV? Rabies? MERS? Some viruses have a capability of effectively wiping out the human race (or at least devastating populations to the point of ending the civilized world as we know it). There are viruses and bugs that have wiped out plant and animal species before. Obviously there are some viruses we DON'T want to be exposed to, and the first reaction to any novel virus should be to try and eradicate it before it does it's damage.

It is fair to say that this virus is not a "species killer". But it's obviously bad enough to have global attention, life won't just "go on as normal" until it is in the rear view mirror. It might be that we achieve some partial "herd immunity" after a year or two, or it may be we need to wait for a vaccine, but life won't just go on as it was before if we are seeing close to a million "extra" deaths specific to this virus.

 

It seemed like you were saying that taking the flu virus would somehow make your immune system not as healthy. I was just refuting that.

 

AP Exclusive: US shelves detailed guide to reopening country

I don't know why it's datelined Gainesville

 

Studies say it won’t make it any weaker. I have no reason to doubt them. My wife and kids get it. I’m not a fan of taking medication. I’ve had the flu one time in my life. I’ll continue to roll the dice.

 

Makes it sound like a grand conspiracy.

But my guess is, reading it, it includes opening schools. Pretty sure the administration is not prepared to formalize those plans yet, so shelved it... for the time being.

Nothing to see here.

 

What does any of this have to do with what I posted? There’s nothing curious about my position at all.

Hey, can you please put me on ignore? You obviously don’t like my content.

 

It starts off saying that the two doctors have made virology their life's work. They own urgent care centers. I looked up Artin Massihi. I don't see anything about him being a specialist in virology.

The Judy Mikovits one? I'd love to see you try to defend that one.

 

The connection, as I see it, is that you seem to think having a strong immune system will protect you against viruses you haven't been exposed to yet. This isn't particularly true. In fact, with covid19, many of the problems are from the immune system doing too much.

But that's just how I see it from over here.

 

This is only true if the high risk are truly isolated and have no contact from anyone who visits the outside world. Which is impossible, since someone is going to have to get food and supplies to the high risk population. And the more people this supplier is exposed to, the greater the chance the supplier will infect someone in the high risk population.

It's degrees of separation math. My wife is an essential worker in the food supply industry. She sees about the same 50 people daily. That's her primary exposure. If each of these people see on average 4 others a day, that's 200 secondary exposure. If each 200 see an additional 3 people, that's 600 tertiary exposure. If one of these people gets COVID-19, it increases the risk my wife gets sick, and increases my risk as well.

Now, if we open the country back up to a more normal state, let's say that increases secondary exposure from 4 people to 8, and tertiary to 5. That's now 4,000 people just 2 degrees away from my wife that if they get sick, increases the chances of my wife getting sick. Just telling the high risk to stay home still increases their risk exponentially. Opening up the country while still practicing social distancing will increase the risk as well, but at least it will be mitigated somewhat.

 

It might be better if you allow yourself to become comfortable with a certain amount of uncertainty and understand that public health officials are trying mightily to get it right. It is a complex situation, not all deaths are attended by a physician, there are multiple co-morbidities, coroners are not always medical professionals, and data is being gathered by the over 3,000 counties in the US and judgements have to be made on best available information. It is not as simple as counting beans in a jar.

 

I never said that at all. I simply stated that I was in agreement that in order to have a strong immune system, you need to be exposed to the environment. Do you disagree?

I never even mentioned covid. But now that you did, are you saying those with a healthy immune system are suffering from covid worse than those with a week immune system?