UPDATE: Ahmaud Arbery's 3 murderers all found guilty. Sentenced to LIFE in prison.

Did you accidentally hit the strike through button?

 

I think I fixed it. I expect that there was an "S" with brackets around it where it says "tate."

 

Self defence...Are you kidding me...an unarmed man confronted with a shot gun wielding red neck maniac...I only wish it had been me...both those low lifes would be on a cold slab now...

 

That and the final [/s] on the end.

 

Even though I disagree with most of your “arguments” I do appreciate this last post; our country is eaten up with evangelicals that would not come close to being as accountable as you. The hypocrisy of many of them is “one” reason that church membership is at an all-time low. Keep your faith and remember that your relationship with Jesus is the most important thing you have.

 

The offense (shoplifting), for which appellant was arrested by the store manager, is a misdemeanor. "It is a well-settled principle of the law of this state, and, as far as we are advised, of all other jurisdictions, that a private individual cannot make an arrest for a misdemeanor, unless the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge." Delegal v. State, 109 Ga. 518, 521 (35 SE 105) (1899). Thus, the decisive question we confront is whether appellant's arrest was for a misdemeanor committed within the immediate knowledge of the store manager. We think it was.

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More than mere speculation yes, but don't need to witness it--'immediate knowledge' suffices--IF the underlying 'offense', is a felony.

 

I've never understood this lame argument. 1. You can always UPDATE when new information becomes avail. 2. It is human nature to form an opinion with the avail info.

There are so many contexts, where refusing to make a call until you have all info is asinine & dangerous.

Ever play poker? Say, texas hold em. You damn well better make a judgement on the flop, update on the turn & update on the river. Ever driven a car? Raised a child? Invested?

 

It's like being in law school.

 

I don't agree that there is "some expectation of someone being shot" just because some rednecks "grab a gun and pursue someone".

I think that is where we have a different opinion.

I bet crap like this happens everyday with no one being shot and/or killed.

I'm sure it also happens all the time with someone being shot and/or killed.

The last part about the rednecks being held accountable I never argued against.

For analysis only - I wouldn't mind knowing what words were exchanged and who the first person was to get physical.

 

Out of curiosity.......

Let's assume you are the father of a young black person. How do you prepare him/her for a situation like this?

What advice do you give your son or daughter that would help mitigate in a situation like this?

 

If you are going to arrest someone probable cause has to be there. To reach it properly it’s advisable to get as many facts as possible before you do. If you don’t have probable cause and you arrest someone you have violated their civil rights under the color of the law. It doesn’t happen too often but cops can go to jail too.

18USC242 references it.

18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

 

Did he have an obligation to flee?

 

If I become a cop, I'll keep that in mind.

 

How many kids you got?

Ironically, your take seems to be the same the dad in the video subscribed to.

...and his all-dun-grow'd-up kid, blindly follered daddy's decisive commitment to action.

Damn good thing they didn't go n wait for any facts...

The jogger mighta' got away!.

 

Immediate knowledge is a problem, but not the biggest one. The primary issue is that, even if the shooter was aware of a crime, he really had no idea whether the victim was the perpetrator. By the posse's own statements it appears to be complete speculation. That's not going to cut it to support a jury charge on a citizen's arrest defense.

Beyond that citizens' arrests can only be effectuated using reasonable force. Pulling out guns out on a jogger in the middle of the street is patently unreasonable and the Georgia courts have held as much.

Any way you slice it, these guys are cooked.

 

I would say yes, according to common sense.

But hey, maybe that's monday morning q'bing.

 

When did they refer to him as the n word? I didn't hear that on the tape.

 

I don't like to presume, though I do presume to know why you ask: 'if you must jog in a honkie neighbood, son, which you have every right to do unmolested, do remember what armed honkies in a pick up truck are prone to do to black folk AND STOP JOGGING!' Or words to that effect.

 

Good find!!

 

Yep - he had to prove to these poor gun-toting upstanding citizens that he was innocent of prior crimes. And if we was guilty, obviously there's plenty of reason to hunt him down with guns. Since he got aggressive, these upstanding gunmen saved many of lives by killing this obvious criminal.