UPDATE: Ahmaud Arbery's 3 murderers all found guilty. Sentenced to LIFE in prison.

Man...I have couched my posts in caveats, cushioned the takes, and bothered to observe some degree of decorum, restraint and diplomacy and such...

Waste of time.

May as well come out swinging, hold no punches, and take my lumps....

Anything short of 'string them redneck mofo's up by the balls', gets you negative reps, and accusations of 'contrarian for the sake of being contrarian...'.

...btw...that first line "Well, they all do look alike " is a tad beyond the pale...I'd like to think YOU'RE better than that.

 

Just a question, is it a known fact that Arbery was wanted for the break ins? I haven't seen anything that said he was a suspect for any crimes.

Also just another question, the father said he was the witness and went into the house to get his son to help him chase him down.
But if you listen to the 911 call, the voice sounds like one of a young man, not a 30 year police investigator.

 

That is not going to or shouldn't protect the shooter ( I say shouldn't because this is S. Ga and he may well skate in criminal court). "He matched the description" does not qualify as cause to discharge a weapon at someone. They did not witness a crime committed by the jogger and had no business chasing him down the road and no legal right to kill him.

 

There are ways to handle this that didn't even need a gun. You have a smartphone, take pictures of the "suspect" and hand it over to the authorities. The issue is the dad was retired meaning he has zero authority to take the law into his own hands. He can make a citizen's arrest but it can't lead to a death, especially if the suspect is unarmed. You clearly can tell the suspect isn't armed and even if he came at me, I don't need to fire my weapon because the shotgun is a blunt weapon. When did people become pansies? Ever hear of subduing? For one, swing the shotgun into his knee caps. Slow him down. There's very little communication, no warning, no hey calm down, nothing. It was like they were deer hunting. So did they say who fired the shots? Was the guy the suspect was locked up with or someone else?

 

Enjoy your attention

 

No, not a known fact, as far as I know--but it was a claim made by the shooter's dad that needs to be ruled out (disproven/discredited), before you take them out of the citizen's arrest statute.

 

If you watch the video you see the retired cop's son holding the shotgun and the victim on the business end trying to wrestle it away. The son fires all 3 shots.

 

I'm pretty sure that '...he matched the description' is not what they claim justifies discharging the weapon.

That justification comes when the jogger comes directly AT the guy with the gun, and further tries to wrestle it out of his hands...

 

By saying what you said in light of that damning video you have taken sides. The honkies had guns in a vehicle following and ultimately confronting the guy. What possible defense is there for that????? Did the black guy fighting back - if that’s what he did - somehow switch the dynamics so that the white guy was justified in shooting him???

 

Do you have anything substantive to contribute to the convo, or just more commentary on my posting style???

 

It is totally irrelevant, and the guy who “disagreed” is flat out wrong. It might be relevant if he had a weapon, but there’s been zero evidence if that.

 

I've literally been trained to attack the gunman in these situations. I don't need a pop song to tell me that I can't outrun bullets.

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Match the description is the reason why the two guys grabbed their guns, hopped in the truck, and chased the jogger down. Matched the description is not reasonable suspicion enough to make a citizen's arrest, let alone attempt to do so by chasing down a guy on foot with your truck, and brandishing firearms. And in the unlawful attempt to make a citizens arrest, an innocent man died. And since he died while the two white guys were doing something unlawful, doesn't that meet the definition of murder one?

Not only did the two white guys didn't personally witness a felony crime, the only reason they followed the jogger was because he was black, in the neighborhood, was running, and fit a vague description of someone wanted for a series of break-ins. Unless the two guys were 100% sure the jogger was the criminal, without a shadow of a doubt, they had no right to make a citizen's arrest. And their unlawful actions, again, lead to an innocent man's death.

The two guys deserve their day in court, but they should be arrested for murder one and attempting to make a false arrest. Unless you think seeing a black man run that "fits a description" gives citizens cause to hunt the black man down while armed and eventually shoot the man to death.

 

"I know that because of what he did, others are alive, and I thank God for that. I love him. And he is a hero and he always will be," his dad, John Castillo, said.
"He just loved people that much."




The 18-year-old was watching "The Princess Bride" in his British literature class when the shooter pulled out a gun, demanding that nobody moved. After Kendrick lunged at the shooter, three other students also tackled the gunman and tried to subdue him while the rest of the class fled the room.

 

Well it comes down to who you believe should be innocent until proven guilty.. the dead guy or the shooters? Most seem to feel like the unarmed guy who got shot while out numbered by 3 should get the benefit.

 

It’s so obvious. I’ve seen it literally a thousand times in my 76 years in my native south. There’s one rule for blacks and another for whites, and it’s maddening listening to the people who keep breeding trying to justify the difference. The shooter needs to be charged and go to trial like any black man would be required to do under the same circumstances. If the shooter has a legal defense, let him present it with competent substantial evidence.

 

He switched it the same way a deer is cornered and then lunges at the hunter catching him off guard. The shooter is a fat ass Dawg fan that has no clue how to defend himself. A shotgun is only good at medium range and is worthless in a fist fight unless you intend on using it as a blunt weapon. He's lucky no one else was hit with buck shot. If he's a retired police officer, he needs to give back his pension. The black guy isn't trying to take away the shotgun and that is going to be the damning evidence that will turn this into either manslaughter or murder charges. The whole time you see them engaged the black guy is punching him in the face. Meaning - I have both hands on the shotgun and I have the stock to use as a blunt weapon.

 

Aren't you allowed to defend yourself?

 

Do you have any links to back this up? The CNN story just says he looked like a person suspected in break ins, not that the shooter said he was THE guy.

"According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area."

Also, I checked Georgia law, it's not an arrestable offense of trespassing unless it's posted or the person entered the property and committing a different crime, like vandalism. So, probably not tresspassing in this case if all he did was look in a window of a house under construction. Similar laws in Florida, as well.

Two strikes on these claims.

Georgia Trespassing 101