UPDATE: Ahmaud Arbery's 3 murderers all found guilty. Sentenced to LIFE in prison.

This is by far the most obvious explanation for what he did.

 

I couldn't tell from the video, but did the gun(s) come out before the jogger was charged?

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Shot fired before jogger engages. Maybe just a warning shot? Still who amongst us here wouldn’t get defensive if someone had guns out and shot at or around us? Poor kid. Dumb behavior by this gun owners. Just dumb and irresponsible. It disgusts me.

 

It was a shotgun so yes. You can't conceal it.

 

How is any of that relevant? This is what the guys knew at the time: crime in area, think it was a black guy - confront nearest black guy with gun and kill. I don't care if the jogger was fresh out of prison the day before. It does not matter if the shooter was an eagle scout choir boy. You do NOT role up in a truck with 3 guys on 1 guy who is doing nothing wrong, threaten him with a gun, and then shoot him.

Everybody has had stuff stolen and it is deeply frustrating. You have a right to DEFEND your person (and in many cases) property from direct attack. You do NOT have a right to roll up on somebody you "think might" be a person of interest and shoot them. They MIGHT be innocent and are certainly deserving of due process. I just don't get what the urgency is in that situation that causes people on here to rationalize the risk of killing an innocent person.

Now, do these folks deserve due process (that they would have denied him if he were guilty)? Yes.

 

Let me re-phrase, by "come out" I meant aimed at the jogger. I'm not interested in discussing how racist these guys may or may not have been (wish we had two threads when something like this happens, one for a technical analysis and legal consideration, the other for anything not related to that). I'm more interested in the nuance of whether the jogger was provoked by having a firearm aimed at him or if he did not have a fire arm aimed at him (and certainly to that extent, I'm interested in the legal relevance of either/both).

My thinking is that if the firearm is aimed at him, the jogger would have no reason to think that the shooter wasn't about to pull the trigger, and either fight or flight would be an understandable natural reaction (i.e. hard to even find a contributing angle by the jogger in this regard...just my opinion). If the firearm isn't aimed at him, the level of threat is substantially different.

Full disclaimer because it's inevitable that these words will be taken out of context, always happens on these types of threads: I have no reason to believe that the jogger did anything wrong prior to this encounter; I have no reason to believe that anything these three guys did in pursuing the jogger was anything remotely close to a good idea (other than recording what little we have on video...that was better than no recording at all).

No matter what happens here, I think at a minimum, the behavior needs to be significantly discouraged. But I'm not going to speculate on jail time or anything like that. That dude's life is likely toast no matter what (just like with George Zimmerman).

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technical analysis:

Why did the jogger grab the shotgun?

Makes no sense to me.

 

technical analysis

 

Probably to disarm the closest person that is chasing him with a gun. He's obviously still at a disadvantage but he is better off if he has a gun against 2 armed men instead of being unarmed against 3.

 

I didn’t say he committed anything, just commenting on a citizens right on Florida to use any force necessary to stop a felony or arrest if you see it occur.

Georgia may not have the same law.

 

Unfortunately since the only video footage was from behind the truck all we have is the word of the murderers. We will never know what really happened in front of that truck. What we do know is that the guy with the shotgun moved towards the victim as he was passing the truck.

 

Redneck muderers....life in prison...or worse. Period.

 

Isn't it standard defense to close the distance when someone is pointing a rifle or shotgun at you at close range.

 

Not sure. I believe we have a law about shooting joggers for the hell of it.

I think we can shoot people on jet skis. Or that may just be an impulse i have at times.

 

Just posting a piece of irrelevant information for those that live in Florida.
And wondering if Georgia might have a similar law.

I’m not taking sides until I find out (if possible) all the circumstances.

 

The men in the truck didn't see the jogger commit any felony crime. There had been some break-ins in the area, presumably done by an African American, these guys see an AA jogging down the street, assume he's the guilty party, chase him down in their truck, pull a gun on the jogger, pull the trigger, and kill him.

If two guys are following you in a truck, one jumps out holding a shotgun, that is threat enough. If a person is brandishing a gun, he intends on using it, and not to scratch that annoying itch on his back he can't reach.

Flight or fight. Guess the jogger thought he'd have a chance to disarm the guy with the shotgun, which would be the better alternative than getting shot in the back while attempting to flee. But the jogger never should have been in this situation. The two guys in the truck didn't witness anything that gave them cause to run this guy down in a truck and brandish guns when they caught up to him. Jogging while black is not a crime, yet these two white guys killed a man because they saw a black guy running in their neighborhood.

 

Have you ever been in the scenario and had to make a split second decision to fight or flee? I doubt it. Those decisions are made so quickly there isn't a lot of rational thought behind them. They are adrenaline fueled and often incorrect. What we do know is the other guy had plenty of time to stand in the street and think about whether he should be trying to apprehend a guy that may or may not have committed burglary. Not a guy on the loose who was armed, not a rapist fleeing a scene, a potential burglar. This situation falls exclusively on his and his father's bad decisions.

 

Who the hell is disagreeing with this? Good lord...it was MURDER!!!

 

This is going to be a thread similar to the ingesting disinfectant thread. It will go for 20+ pages for no reason. The only proper response to either situation is "well that is stupid as hell". This one is based more on racism but both have that stupidity thread running through the original situation.

 

He has a name.