Trump isn't here. He isn't the one questioning it in this thread. I never said to use autopsy results or test dead people. I have no political reason for my opinion. I said, extrapolate data from confirmed test results into the untested. That would likely be a more accurate way, then just a blanket COD. ...and we need to move on from everyone's predictions two months ago...including Trump downplaying it, and including the WHO who claimed it had a 3-4% death rate. This is a fluid situation. Let's move the conversation in this thread to today and stop reminding people (who already are well aware) of what everyone said incorrectly two months ago. Not aimed at you Dutchen...but to all of us who keep digging up old news.
I wish we could see this document instead of just hearing an opinion. I also hope the test kits refer to the antibody tests. I’ll wait to see the actual plan before I judge it. It would be wise for everyone to do the same but I know that won’t happen. Too many opinion are used as facts these days.
Posted in the vaccine thread. Abbott is shipping 1 million AB tests this week and will have 4 million by the end of April. Thats only a little over 1% of pop that can be tested for antibodies going into May.
All fair points SB, but do that by pointing out the "lies" with data...not just a comedy show of mocking him. That is really what it has become. It has devolved and I was just trying to refocus it. @rivergator started a thread to help in that way, and we have let it drop off the radar. I relinked it above. Apologies if my remark was scolding or snarky, but that was sort of the atmosphere of the thread at that moment so I got sucked in. Again, we are in this together. But it seems like any good news is dismissed and ridiculed. I posted a Stanford scientist above stating twice this week that he believes the death rate is likely closer to the Flu then we were told. That will get buried and ignored while snarky Trumpisms will go one for pages.
We should all be thrilled if the death rate is closer to the flu as it will mean: 1. This wasn't some world threatening virus; and 2. Enough people were tested for us to draw informed conclusions. Both are incredibly important. And I agree that the situation is fluid, which is why I get so frustrated with the hindsight panic-criers. We need to make these decisions in real time based on the best info at hand, and if the best info at hand said death rate of 3-4%, then a strong reaction was warranted if 2 million dead if nothing was done (which is an infection rate of 50 million people).
You posted an opinion of someone who thinks something based on their gut (although he clearly has an impeccable background). Is that good news or just a good opinion? Also if anyone listened to the interview he says "there is tremendous uncertainty in these numbers and some very informed and learned friends of mine disagree with me..."
If someone can establish a percentage of deaths per infected, the death rates “may be” a decent indicator of the amount of people infected? I don’t know, just thinking out loud?
and members from both parties supported that payoff. In fairness, if the dems would have screamed about this it would have embarrassed the pubs to back off like they did with the slush fund with no oversight. Dems are not innocent in this issue
I don’t think we can compare flu deaths to covid deaths until a covid vaccine is manufactured. What would flu death numbers be without a vaccine? I’d also like to see, if possible, a combination flu/covid shot become available I’d covid becomes a yearly occurrence like the flu.
Trump administration aims to buy milk, meat to help farmers hit by coronavirus: Perdue I hope the money is being spent on end products and not directed at the individual farmers. Best way to help them is to buy up the supply so there is demand for their product to be sent to the manufacturer.
He's been banging that drum for a long time. I dont buy it (and saw a debate between him and a Harvard Prof that was quite interesting where the Harvard prof rejected this as well). The spread rate of this disease would need to be absolutely ridiculous in order to see the deaths that we have for this to be around the death rate for the flu. Basically, we would have had somewhere around 30 million cases total (including recoveries and deaths) in the US a couple weeks back for this to have the death rate of the flu and would have had to capture all of the deaths for it to be that low. I think we are dramatically undercounting, but I'm not buying even that order of magnitude. I'd be shocked if we have more than 10 million cases and find it far more likely that we are in the low millions (i.e. 3-6x the official number seems far more likely than 50x).
I thought Smithfield said there was going to be a meat shortage, why would the government buy meat? How about we back off some of the stupid tariffs to actually help the farmers?
Oklahoma charts show over 4% of confirmed cases result in death for national average in the USA. That number has been steadily rising if you look at the previous data he has been kind enough to compile. I am sure the % of total infected is lower as the lack of testing ability doe snot allow us to determine the total number infected or even a high % of those infected. You seem to have taken a position on this issue much in line with the right wing talking points so the origin of those talking points is going to be subject to credibility check and that includes their previous comments. Part of qualifying the source.
if the dems can't make hay with all the ammo T gives them each presser they don't deserve to win or merica is just plain dumb
The past matters. Especially when decisions will be made about how to reopen the country. And when the president keeps talking about all the great things he has been doing. And, since this is an election year.
His assumptions about totla number infected already are so wildly off base that his argument has no merit. If you say WHO is claiming 3.5% and flu is historically 0.1% and average for covid ends up being 1.5% it will be corect that it is closer to flu than WHO. But at 1.5% it wills till be 15 times deadlier than flu There is a reason he has little to no support in his analysis and it isn't a political one. There is a reason his sole voice analysis is being trumpeted and it is a political one. Much like to doctor from Minnesota parroting the covid death rate is being inflated conspiracy theory. Sole voice with some credentials being seized on by right wing media as an alternative fact. that red meat is tainted with poison so it is justifiably rejected by most.
