Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Exactly. There is always a range and not an exact number. The CDC range for H1N1 deaths is somewhere between 9k and 18k.

 

Wrong. The disease can be identified by The symptoms and progression. But, that is the new conspiracy. At least I have professionals who understand disease. You have a conspiracy theory borne of ignorance that an autopsy is required to determine a medical cause of death. So, again, tell me what these people died of? Instead of your made up, “nobody knows because they died at home.” Why are the professionals wrong? Because you think so? Do better.

 

Just another fringe conspiracy theory.

 

Well commander and total authority chief backed down today, probably because he realized he had zero power to tell the governors what to do. So another self manufactured crisis/foot shooting overcome.
/winning.

 

Somebody shoved a copy of the 10th amendment into an orifice and got his attention.

 

that's awesome GGD!!!! I chuckled out loud just now

 

But how is questioning this a defense of Trump? Everything stated here is not pro or con Trump.

Frankly it is wrong to just list all unknown pneumonia deaths as positive Covid-19 deaths in my opinion.
You yourself, and I myself, both mentioned having symptoms early on that were similar. We now are told we were sick too soon to be covid. So we know that something similar has been lurking and making people sick.

I imagine what we had in the late winter could kill elderly people with respiratory ailments.

If anything they should figure a percentage based on total pneumonia deaths to covid deaths and use that number, rather than just saying they all died of covid.

 

Social distancing and lock downs has absolutely ended flu season. It doesn't have a way to spread. If you look at the kinsa smart thermometer data, everywhere in the country is well below normal flu level.

US Health Weather Map by Kinsa

Take Broward County for instance. Based on historical data, they expect 1.2-3.2% as a typical range for people showing fever. Today was just .49%. This is the same data where most of FL was measured in the 6-7% range in mid to late March.

 

There are thousands. You posted one. That is random. I did not say you hand picked the photo. You pulled it from the internet.

 

What kind of an idiot faces a pandemic and stops funding to the World Health Organization? It is clear that he is irrational, but what is stunning is that so many people will find reasons to support this (just as they find ways to rationalize his disbanding of the National security council pandemic response team).

 

Where do you draw the 95% confidence interval from?

 

too many words for him to read

 

Declaring a boogeyman is a good way to focus attention on someone else. It's worked out every other time he's used this strategy...

Also, when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.

 

When you don't have nearly enough testing to cover even those who died, this is what happens. You have to estimate. No real way to avoid that without enough testing. And we still don't have nearly enough testing. There is a reason that we estimate flu deaths with modeling based on overall changes in mortality. But no way could we do an accurate estimate that you suggested in the last paragraph with the testing situation as it currently is, much less as it was 4 weeks ago.

 

Can we just start a "dump on Trump thread". (Oh wait, we have one.) Seriously it's getting lame. This thread is unreadable for the past several hours.
Every conversation about this virus does not have to revolve around Trump, and everyone with a counter opinion is not a defender of Trump.

Put the blue and red glasses down folks. We are all in this together.

 

I’ve heard of this theory or conspiracy that doctors are being told by the CDC to list CV 19 as cause of death regardless of reason. One doctor claimed this came directly from the CDC and caused a big uproar in a lot of circles (CV 19 is fake crowd). I read the actual guidelines that were supposed to be the smoking gun to this conspiracy. I’ll post the link and see what everyone thinks rather than just state my opinion. Research can be very helpful.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

 

Keep in mind, NY health officials know the baseline "normal" death rate in their state, for varying causes. It should not be difficult to see a spike and quantify it. Even collect metrics/stats about cause of death and compare to the norms. If someone did their due diligence and found 3700 abnormal deaths classified as pneumonia or breathing difficulties, it's not a huge stretch to link those to covid-19, even if a test couldn't be done to confirm. Now, I don't know their methodology, nor does anyone else on this board. But I'm willing to wait till tomorrow and see what sort of explanation we get. I am sure this will be a question covered during Cuomo's press conference.

 

If you watched the presser you know my over production was a stream of consciousness running commentary. It was snarky, but accurate.

 

In NY, you take the number of pneumonia deaths that were tested and the number of covid +/- results for those deaths.
You then extrapolate THAT percentage to the other non tested pneumonia deaths. At least then you would be using some actual statistical data. That is what they do with things like the flu. They don't just randomly give every "flu-like" death a flu diagnosis.

The lack of testing is a huge issue, but that doesn't mean we throw our statistical common sense on the other side either.

 

Agree 100% and that is a different way of saying the same thing. If they are doing that, then I am OK with it, but if they are just lumping all unknown symptomatic deaths then I am not OK with it.