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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. 96Gatorcise

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  2. philnotfil

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    The problem is that we did the work and put a system in place. And then an ignorant fool pulled down parts of it and ignored the rest.


    Edit: Found it.

    How America built the best pandemic response system in history – and threw it away
     
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  4. mutz87

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    Indeed. As late as a few weeks ago, Trump's OMB was still seeking to slash the CDC's budget, saying so in a congressional hearing despite quickly escalating crisis. He/WH only relented after continued outcry.
     
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  5. ursidman

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    Reminds me of an existential question:
    Q. Is life worth living?
    A. That depends upon the liver
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    The Lost Month: How a Failure to Test Blinded the U.S. to Covid-19

    WASHINGTON — Early on, the dozen federal officials charged with defending America against the coronavirus gathered day after day in the White House Situation Room, consumed by crises. They grappled with how to evacuate the United States consulate in Wuhan, China, ban Chinese travelers and extract Americans from the Diamond Princess and other cruise ships.

    The members of the coronavirus task force typically devoted only five or 10 minutes, often at the end of contentious meetings, to talk about testing, several participants recalled. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, its leaders assured the others, had developed a diagnostic model that would be rolled out quickly as a first step.

    But as the deadly virus from China spread with ferocity across the United States between late January and early March, large-scale testing of people who might have been infected did not happen — because of technical flaws, regulatory hurdles, business-as-usual bureaucracies and lack of leadership at multiple levels, according to interviews with more than 50 current and former public health officials, administration officials, senior scientists and company executives.

    The result was a lost month, when the world’s richest country — armed with some of the most highly trained scientists and infectious disease specialists — squandered its best chance of containing the virus’s spread. Instead, Americans were left largely blind to the scale of a looming public health catastrophe.

    The absence of robust screening until it was “far too late” revealed failures across the government, said Dr. Thomas Frieden, the former C.D.C. director. Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins, said the Trump administration had “incredibly limited” views of the pathogen’s potential impact. Dr. Margaret Hamburg, the former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, said the lapse enabled “exponential growth of cases.”
     
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  7. OklahomaGator

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    The pictures you see on tv of the streets of NYC are really disturbing.......it's the middle of the afternoon on Saturday and not a soul to be seen.
     
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  8. duchen

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    Remember when Trump was elected and he repealed regulations and pointed to a stack of papers in the room?

    It is much easier to repeal regulations that inhibit pollution than inhibit the development of a test for an approaching pandemic.
     
  9. duchen

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    Under the circumstances, that is good.
     
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    “You want to know whether or not you have it,” Dr. Aylward said. “You want to know whether the people around you have it. Because you know what? Then you could stop it.”

    “You can’t stop it,” he warned, “if you can’t see it.”
     
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  11. oragator1

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    Michigan and Massachusetts both had around 1k new cases each today.
    And NJ is still a mess too.
     
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  12. creekgator

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    Read this..
    http://patriotretort.com/golly-i-wonder-why-new-york-city-is-the-epicenter/

    Following is a quote from NYC health commissioner

    Today our city is celebrating the #LunarNewYear parade in Chinatown, a beautiful cultural tradition with a rich history in our city. I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus. https://on.nyc.gov/377LlcH
     
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  13. dangolegators

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    She was very wrong. However, that was Feb 9 and no one was talking about social distancing and shutting down the economy then. And it would be weeks before Trump announced we were at 15 cases and would soon be at 0.
     
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  14. demosthenes

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    No, you’re carrying pa’s water. But we’re not aligning on what we’re talking about so I’m just going to leave it at that and stop the dialogue on the subject I was discussing.
     
  15. GatorNorth

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    Nuts, but isn't that about the time POTUS told us it was one case and he fixed the problem by cutting off Chinese air routes?

    Hell, several major conferences even started their conference tournaments around February 26.
     
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  16. dangolegators

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    And Mardi Gras/Fat Tuesday on Feb 25.
     
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  17. VAg8r1

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    And as a point of information the first coronavirus case in NY was confirmed on March 1.

    Coronavirus in N.Y.: Manhattan Woman Is First Confirmed Case in State

    Good example of why not to rely on a site like Patriot Retort. The NYC Health Commissioner said that there was no problem with watching the Lunar New Year's parade almost three weeks before the first Covid-19 case was reported in NYC.
    Edit: Not sure whether the post was actually serious since the site labels itself as satire meaning that it's intended as humor not to be taken seriously.
     
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  18. pkaib01

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    I've been waiting for this to show up here. It's a common whataboutism to deflect from trump's mistakes/inaction. As if somehow the lack of federal direction and resources at the time on top of trump's denial isn't his fault.

    don't fall for it.
     
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  19. Woollybooger

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    This is an article from NewStatesmanAmerica, which according to Wikipedia is a British "liberal magazine for people on the left" so they have an agenda. That being said, toward the end of the article it states that not all should be blamed on Trump. The pharmaceutical industry is not really into vaccines and the other two coronaviruses don't have vaccines developed either. It was also critical of a lack of testing, but most of us have learned that the CDC was not set up to be a volume tester, so the system the team inherited basically had to be scraped. They have tried to explain that, but it has basically been ignored by those that strive to blame Trump.
    Just my two cents worth, and I do not intend to pass myself off as an expert. Nor do I wish to fight over my thoughts, so don't bother.
     
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  20. creekgator

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    No..Trump shut down China travel 10 days earlier and was labeled a xenophobe..meanwhile the Dems were preoccupied with impeaching Trump.
     
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