Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Actually how close are the demographics of those two states as far as partying, theme parks etc? I can tell you I was in Nashville and Memphis last month hitting the clubs and you are packed in those places like sardines.

 

100% agreement. The lack caveats are where the media exploits, and enemies pounce, but the same would happen if reversed.

 

This is great news, and lends hope. If a packed in place like NYC can be successful, imagine most of the rest of us living in more open environments with more space.

 

Pushing back, by definition, is a matter of countering.
The closed case death rate, on its own, is a statistic worthy of consideration. One problem with it lies in the apparent fact that previous pandemics did not apply this statistic. Covid-19, however, is a new global pandemic and consideration for a variety of metrics should be granted. Closed-case statistics address known factors: People who required medical care & survived and people among that population who perished. It's a valid statistic because there is little mystery regarding the number of resolved cases. OTOH - there is a great deal of mystery regarding the number of actual cases, as applied in case fatality rate. Some will argue that case fatality rate is a more valid statistic (not to mention less alarming) and I would not push back or counter that suggestion. I also would not discount the closed case death rate and would note that the fact it's been increasing approximately 1% for the past couple of days (from 14 to 15 to 16) is concerning.

 

If you lived on a round island & everyone there owned an equal sized pizza slice of the island - so that everyone has H2O front property & a swell was coming in a week that would flood the island & kill all inhabitants unless everyone sandbagged their H2O front. Would you want sandbagging made mandatory?

 

Good points.
...And fine, maybe a little push, but I promise I was pushing gently.

 

During the 1918 flu pandemic, cities did shut down. You can read up on it and how the success in St. Louis in which their chief health officer defied fed govt recommendations not to shut down wound up faring far better than other cities--often using Philly as the polar opposite.

And during the H1N1 pandemic, officials shut down numerous schools, released students early in May where there were local outbreaks. Also, for the most common strain(s) of H1N1 circulating in the US, there were antivirals available, which made a big difference, as did there being about one-third of the older adult population having the antibodies to combat most of the strains.

 

Depends. Would they cancel hockey.
I am really pissed at this thing.
I haven't seen a Lightning game in two weeks.
So again, for clarity, would they cancel hockey?

 

Yep St Louis is a good case study.

 

HHS Inspector General to Investigate Whistleblower Complaint on Trump Admin’s Handling of COVID-19 Outbreak

You knew this was coming - Hoax # 3 I guess it will be. I think Independents have finally had about enough of this silly crap however from the Dems and deep state resistance. Fauci is the setup star witness probably.

 

A counter to this shutdown madness.

Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.

 

Uggh....

finals number for NY are in, 6618 new cases, they are still on their way up, and the more cases there mean the more that get spread out to other places.
They did see a slight drop in deaths, but I would assume that’s temporary until we see otherwise over time.

 

yep self quote. Fever, I see you come on manned me. This is not an analogy to CV. This is an honest question. People who want to advocate for small gov need to recognize when collective action is best. Ironically, a lot of misguided "righties" would say no, that infringes on personal freedom & yet would have some convoluted argument for why smoking a joint in one's basement threatened society. When your actions have direct & significant effects on others, collective solution - GASP - can be the way to go. Just something to think about.

 

I am talking about these draconian measures by these Governors not local stuff. I don't know - did any Governor ever lock down people for weeks with no work allowed?

 

I respectfully disagree. The cruise ship was a controlled environment, unlike public communities. Do the timelines correlate with those in cities, states, and countries or did the ship go into lockdown mode as soon as they because aware of the problem? I wouldn't argue one way or the other, but would not use this isolated case to generalize to the greater population. The variables are too different.

 

The flaw in this thinking is there is no official body "closing" cases, and they obviously are not counting "self-resolved" cases that never even counted in the 1st place. While it's interesting/concerning if this number is actually going up, it is still nowhere near the actual mortality rate of being infected with this, and it could quite literally be a simple function of cases being "closed" by deaths more promptly than being closed by recovery (or having "recovery" not really being tracked accurately at all). I think we've seen enough "famous" people come down with the illness and not even require hospitalization, to realize there's no way in hell the death rate is anywhere near this figure you keep trying to use.

I'm in the camp that this is an extremely serious situation, but that's with the assumption that the mortality is more like the 1-3% range. A 3.4% mortality if applied to a classroom, would mean basically every classroom of roughly 30 students would have 1 student die. But kids mostly have nothing to worry about, the deaths are allocated more to older populations. So let's say you fill those classrooms with 60 year olds instead of 10 year olds, the stats would then mean 2+ of those adults would die in every single classroom across the country.

 

Well if everyone did not sand bag, I guess god would cancel hockey. I know you are religious & I respect that, but this was, as i understand it God's org deal. If one person fails, we all drown. It's weird how many things this captures.

 

That's the sweetest thing you've ever said to me.

 

I have no problem with it if its justified - My view would be this would be something at this point in time you should be able to have overturned since its showing not too be anything like they said. Its taking your liberty without a true valid reason at this point imo with those lockdowns. The threat it poses is not even big and this action is unprecedented even for stuff much more dangerous than this. I know Courts usually refuse to hear cases on this type of stuff or just rule for the Govt. I wonder if a court would take the case showing that the mess isnt doing anything anyway would help legally. Court would probably defer to Fauci who has been wrong on about everything.