What are the reasons this needs to be rushed? I have a hard time believing 3 last minute accusations but what's the harm in waiting a while to investigate? Isn't he being nominated to a permanent positions?
In this case, the analogy is not that you didn't tell your wife. It's that you intentionally lied. Repeatedly. On multiple topics. That's what Kavanaugh did in the hearings yesterday.
On the matter of the judge perjuring himself in this fashion (as discussed in other posts), have any Dems on the committee pointed this out yet? Are they going to? How could he or the Reps possibly defend his lies if confronted with them?
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What a joke. Perjury is perjury. He committed it repeatedly regardless of the underlying substance, and I'm not buying anything from anybody. I watched it all for myself start to finish and I told a friend right after Kavanaugh's opening statement that I found him totally credible. Then I watched him repeatedly lie under oath. I don't care what he was lying about, although it is easy enough to see why he was lying. He is a perjurer and does not belong on the Supreme Court.
As always, I think everyone is going to see what they want to see. In the case of the right, I think they are failing to see that Christine Ford is a real living breathing person, and she is the one that made this claim.
After further reflection, I don't think they should investigate any further. They don't need to know if he engaged in sexual assaults or other stupid drunken behavior. He lied to them repeatedly under oath. A POTUS that placed any value on integrity would have pulled his nomination already, but we know Trump doesn't value integrity and may actually disdain it, and won't pull the nomination. So Kavanaugh should be voted down specifically on lying repeatedly to the committee. He is not fit to sit on the USSC.
most liars defend themselves with anger, indignation, and bluster absent of a any logical defense of what it is they are accused of be it legal or otherwise. Bret Kavanaugh was as transparent as glass on this.
That won't happen unless he's called on it. The vote will be based on he said/she said and not on perjury if the latter is ignored.
and therein lies the sad state of this country. One side absolutely refuses to look at facts, logic, and what is clearly proven by science. Flatly denies anything that they do not like or does not serve their ends. The president himself has validated any and all of this type of behavior.
Earlier in this thread I mentioned that I heard a portion of Kavanaugh's opening statement on the radio and I too found him totally credible and compelling at that point. But it is clearly that he lied repeatedly in that hearing yesterday. I'm not sure how anyone finds that acceptable, outside of partisan bias. And their partisan bias can be satisfied by the next nominee. Just doesn't make any sense to confirm this guy.
Yeah, you and I are obviously on the exact same page. I feel for the people involved. I don't doubt that the Democrats played politics (as did the Republicans). But I no longer have any need to know any of that. He is such an obvious liar that it is hard for me to believe that anybody would even think to dispute it, and I can see from your posts that you agree. None of the rest of it matters with respect to his fitness for the position. But he'll still get confirmed.
If they were to agree to postpone, the nomination would effectively be dead. They would have to move on to another nominee to either confirm quickly without hearings before the election (as Ben pointed out somewhere in here) or in the lame duck session if they lose the senate. Politically they really want to get it done before the election because a lot of people are relying on running on the two SCOTUS seats and showing weakness by backing down to the Democrats won't help with their bases. If it got to the lame duck session, there is a very good chance that some senator wouldn't want to vote to confirm (Flake maybe) because traditionally when a party loses control they don't pass major legislation or other actions recognizing that the will of the people is for a change in direction. The Democrats would be kicking and screaming if they tried to confirm during the lame duck session based on that argument. There is also some speculation that the Democrats might take the tit for tat to the next level if they took the senate and refuse to confirm anyone for two years (even Garland), waiting for 2020 when they might win both the presidency and congress. I think that might be too extreme even in this environment though. That would set the precedent that court positions would only be filled in years where one party owns both the presidency and senate and otherwise leave it short staffed. As for the arguments for an investigation, I guess I would ask what you think they might find? With few details provided by Ford and the witnesses she named denying knowledge of the party in question, what would their interviews reveal? It's highly doubtful that anyone is going to change their story as they have already spoke under penalty of perjury that they don't know what she is talking about. There is no forensic evidence after 36 years nor the ability to derive any meaning out of the timeline without dates. They could put Judge up there and rip him for his life choices, trying for a guilt by association argument. Yet that won't reveal any new facts. There is also the possibility that, if something was actually found, it could be damaging to Ford rather than Kavanaugh. So say she suddenly remembers the date and Kavanaugh has an alibi for it? Or to be even more skeptical, say she picks a date that fits with Kavanaugh's calendar as a date he might have been at a party and it isn't noted. Can you be sure she wasn't influenced by her Dianne Feinstein picked legal team when selecting that date? So she picks a date and they say "no, he noted he was working out that night". So then she moves on to another date until it fits. Finally, while the public wants a search for the truth, that's not really possible given the information available nor what this process is about. It's simply political and all about seating a justice that will in theory be partisan. The Republicans want their seat and the Democrats will do anything to prevent them from getting it. Basically the same thing that happened last year with Garland. Neither side gives a shit about Ford or getting justice for her, only about their own political gain. I was sort of hoping Kavanaugh was going to call the Democrats on it when they kept pressing on the investigation issue after he had been so honest in his opening statement.
