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Kavanaugh Hearing

Discussion in 'GC Hall of Fame' started by ursidman, Sep 4, 2018.

  1. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy

    Apr 3, 2007
    Kavanaugh will be confirmed unless this woman is very convincing in the Senate hearings, and has at least one person who can vouch for Kavanaugh at least being at that party.

    Agree with you that politics is at an all time low... at least for my lifetime.

    It's been building up over time, but have to say... #MAGA

    Lying, name calling, insulting, threatening, obstructing justice, obstructing congress... all day in, day out Standard Operating Practice in this brave new reality TV political world.

    When the primary parties aren't doing it (Kavanaugh and Ford), there are plenty of political surrogates there to take up the cause.
     
  2. philobeddoe

    philobeddoe GC Hall of Fame

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    Actually …. all she needs to do is sit down and tell the story of what happened as she recalls it. You could do that …. I could do that.

    She's a PhD in psychology, a pharma researcher/consultant at the director/management level … and cannot handle herself when responding to questions presented to her? But, it is interesting that she's further aligned herself with a hugely partisan "pro-abortion" political operative …. further impugning her credibility and her appearance of objectivity (if it was ever possible) in her recollection and explanation 36 year old events.
     
  3. philobeddoe

    philobeddoe GC Hall of Fame

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    Democrats have lost it over the Kavanaugh nomination. I though TDS was bad ….. but their KDS is simply over the top. It's pretty sad that so many lefties are so concerned over Ford's "treatment" …. yet are silent (don't give a damn) about how Ford's claims, which are quite possibly erroneous and perhaps even fabricated for political purposes, are impacting Kavanaugh and his family. Lefties only care about women and children if they're not conservatives or related thereto.

    Feds investigating obscene threats against Kavanaugh's wife

    "Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's wife, Ashley Kavanaugh, has received multiple threatening emails that are being investigated by the U.S. Marshals Service, a source involved in Kavanaugh's confirmation process confirms to CBS News.

    A protective detail of U.S. Marshals is protecting Kavanaugh and his family, according to a law enforcement source. The Wall Street Journal first reported that Kavanaugh's wife had received threats that are under investigation by the U.S. Marshals.

    "The threats are real, they were directed at his wife, and that's serious stuff. And they've heightened in recent days," a White House official told CBS News.

    CBS News obtained copies of three of the profanity-laced threats directed at Ashley Kavanaugh and has decided not to publish them because of their obscene content."
     
  4. GatorNorth

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    LIkely for the same reason Kavanaugh needs to spend 3 days at the White House prepping for testimony about a party he claims he didn’t attend. They’re each about to enter an indescribable circus.

    Although I believe her that something happened, I’m not sure what.

    And I tend to think she did this not for political or financial gain given this all started with a private letter indicating that she did not want to come forward. But here we are.

    Either way, Kavanaugh is stained forever and the partisan divide grows wider. It’s so completely disheartening, and neither side can even remotely see that they’re no better than the other one they complain so loudly about.

    The only bright side is that both of these parties are so effed up that almost 50% of Americans polled now consider themselves independent.
     
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  5. philobeddoe

    philobeddoe GC Hall of Fame

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  6. reformedgator

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    I wonder if she would have felt this same civic responsibility if it was Garland instead of Kavanaugh? If so, that letter to Feinstein would probably have never seen the light of day & certainly not at the last minute.
     
  7. gator_lawyer

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    Accommodating her is the least that can be done for somebody who might have been a victim of childhood trauma. She's already having her life uprooted by this whole situation. It's about being empathetic and fair. Taking out your anger at Feinstein on her is not a valid excuse for treating her poorly.
     
  8. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy

    Apr 3, 2007
    That is an extremely naive take on what she is stepping into.

    They are not on a quest for the truth. They are on a quest for political victory at any cost.

    Senators on both sides will be engaged in attacking lines of questioning to the person on the "opposing side" as well as grandstanding speeches. Questions may assume bad actions and blame on the person being targeted, amidst a flurry of accusations intended to confuse and belittle that person. They'll go off on tangents to try to derail the person being questioned.

    For somebody who has no experience dealing with that, and is doing it for the first time in nationally televised Senate hearings, the stress will be immense. Even if well prepped.

    (edit) And as GatorNorth pointed out, Kavanaugh is holed up in the White House getting legal advice and prep, and he has a helluva lot more experience dealing with this environment than she does.
     
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  9. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy

    Apr 3, 2007
    Disagreeing with somebody does not make them mentally ill any more than it makes you mentally ill. It's a difference of opinion.

    Lets stop with the group insults.
     
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  10. Gator715

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    The Republicans have treated her better than Feinstein... At least they're actually trying to accommodate her and not use her like a political football like Feinstein did for over a month...

    She used her as an "ace in the hole." That's not very classy, to put it mildly...
     
  11. philobeddoe

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    I disagree with much of your post.

    All Ford need to do is read her letter … that covers her allegation. However, Kavanaugh … is now required, unfairly, defend himself against 36 year old allegations that may very well be erroneous or fabricated. How does he do that say ….. I was not there, it was not me.

    WRT to the matter of benefits accruing to Ford … she's now a leftie hero, revered by many progressives and radical feminists. Further, she has direct financial ties to the abortion/pharma industry … which has a keen interest in seeing Kavanaugh's nomination derailed.

    About the only point you make with which I agree is Kavanaugh has been negatively impacted by this …….. and for no good reason. Had Ford, then Feinstein, handled the allegation in a proper fashion none of what we're seeing …. and you find disheartening … would likely be happening. Of course …… the democrat politicians had everything to gain by creating an "indescribable circus" and further expanding the "partisan divide" in the US. I don't see how conservatives and moderates gain anything from the actions of Ford, Feinstein, etal started.

     
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  12. g8trjax

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    Yep, just look at the biggest cheerleaders of the 'indescribable circus'. All you need to know.
     
  13. philobeddoe

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    Much like the nutjobs sending vile emails to Ms Kavanaugh and those making death threats against Ford, their actions - the protestors in the Senate office building - belie their mental issues. It is an opinion with which you may not agree but …….. their actions do support an opinion and assertion of mental instability. It can't be an insult if highly probable.
     
  14. CaptUSMCNole

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    I think Whalen's tweets are probably not helping. It seems to be throwing gasoline on a dumpster fire.

    I agree with you that the fact Whalen seems to know who the other woman who as at the party was. That could be the ace up his sleeve if he knows the woman can say she was at the party Dr. Ford has describe but can say that Kavanaugh was there. That is total conjecture right now but it definitely seems like there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes in Chevy Chase, Md right now.
     
  15. diehardgator1

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    And I tend to think she did this not for political or financial gain given this all started with a private letter indicating that she did not want to come forward. But here we are.
    they offered to fly out and do it on her home turf in private if she wanted to. How much more fair can you be. She made the accusations now she has to back them up
     
  16. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy

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    First off, your assertion here is ridiculous.

    A couple of dozen people were peacefully protesting. Exercising their 1st amendment rights.

    Second, this isn't an open discussion.

    You throw around the silly derangement syndrome tags a lot. People aren't deranged or insane or dangerous, just because you disagree with them.

    Further use of group insults will result in enforcement of board rules. This goes for everybody of course.
     
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  17. GatorNorth

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    Reading the letter would have accomplished absolutely nothing different as Kavanaugh would still want the opportunity to defend himself in an open forum, and we’d end up in the same place. I would. Wouldn’t you?

    I don’t know about her being a “leftie hero”, I don’t think in those terms any more than I think that Paula Jones or Monica Lewnisky were “rightie heroes” yet somehow they resulted in Bubba being impeached.

    And while I feel for Kavanaugh if the claims are baseless, he still has a lifetime appointment. Not like he loses that. But his reputation is gonna get hit either way.
     
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  18. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy

    Apr 3, 2007
    I agree she has to step up.

    My only point here is that this is an extremely politically charged event that no normal person could be ready for. Letting her prep for it, as the much more politically experienced Kavanaugh is doing himself, is not too much to ask.
     
  19. AgingGator

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    Agree with everything you said except "at least one person who can vouch for Kavanaugh at least being at the party". I believe that that is a very, very low bar to set. Kavanaugh being at the party and Kavanaugh attempting to rape her are two very, very different things. The first being true really doesn't have any bearing on the second being true except for the fact that was POSSIBLE that it COULD have happened. I was in my office yesterday, and had a private conversation with a female peer with the door closed, doesn't mean I tried to rape her. I was at Dillard's last night buying some clothes. That doesn't mean I tried to rape the saleswoman who helped me pick out the ties to go with the suit.

    We are letting the Democrats and the sleaze in the media lower the standard to "well it could have happened" as a basis for conviction in the court of public opinion.

    There is no specific location named, no specific time noted. No other accusations like this have been made of Mr. Kavanaugh. By all accounts, he is an honorable and decent man. The media has had weeks to find dirt on him and have found none. I'm sure that the networks, CNN, and MSNBC have spared no expense in trying to find that dirt.

    I'm sorry but Dr. Ford is going to have to come up with a lot more than "he was there" to get my support.
     
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  20. squigator

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    The left needs to change the name of their movement from Me Too to Me Three (me, me, me).

    Where can I donate money to fund abortions for only liberal women and registered democrats?