Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Kavanaugh Hearing

Discussion in 'GC Hall of Fame' started by ursidman, Sep 4, 2018.

  1. BobK89

    BobK89 GC Hall of Fame

    12,126
    445
    818
    Apr 9, 2007
    Tampa, FL
    Come on, counselor. You know better than that. NO ONE, regardless of who they are, has to testify in a criminal matter. PERIOD. Regardless of guilt or innocence.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  2. PerSeGator

    PerSeGator GC Hall of Fame

    2,289
    366
    1,993
    Jun 14, 2014
    She had it coming, she obviously knew what the deal was when she walked into the room, it's expected that a teenage boy might get overly aggressive in that situation, so she should have done more to make it clear there was no consent.

    You know, standard blame the victim attacks.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  3. CaptUSMCNole

    CaptUSMCNole Premium Member

    3,055
    188
    393
    May 23, 2007
    NCR
    FYI - Apparently Dr. Ford is in negotiations with the Senate Judiciary committee but is saying that testifying Monday is not possible:

    In the email, obtained by The New York Times, the lawyer for Christine Blasey Ford said that testifying Monday — the timetable Republicans have set for a hearing — “is not possible and the Committee’s insistence that it occur then is arbitrary in any event.” The lawyer reiterated that it is Dr. Blasey’s “strong preference” that “a full investigation” occur before her testimony — wording that stopped short of demanding an F.B.I. probe and suggested she is open to testifying without one.
     
  4. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

    16,847
    5,787
    3,213
    Oct 30, 2017
    That's actually incorrect. But there's no reason for either to plead the 5th if Dr. Blasey is lying.
     
  5. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

    35,370
    1,742
    2,258
    Apr 8, 2007
    You might want to read the Washington Post story. It says nothing about her being drunk, as conservative detractors have claimed here. Nothing about not telling her parents because she didn't want them to know she's been drinking. And nothing about there being only five people at the party.

    That's why I asked if she's given an interview to someone other than the Post.
     
  6. CaptUSMCNole

    CaptUSMCNole Premium Member

    3,055
    188
    393
    May 23, 2007
    NCR
    Do you count the book deals she received as not gaining anything?
     
  7. llm85

    llm85 GC Hall of Fame

    Sep 1, 2011
    Naples
    So, if only guilty people invoke the Fifth, then they are guilty. Hang 'em!!!
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. CaptUSMCNole

    CaptUSMCNole Premium Member

    3,055
    188
    393
    May 23, 2007
    NCR
    Where did I say anything about her being drunk?

    If you have read an article that says there were more than 5 people at the party, please provide it. That number has been widely reported.
     
  9. BobK89

    BobK89 GC Hall of Fame

    12,126
    445
    818
    Apr 9, 2007
    Tampa, FL
    25 years of practicing civil law and I make every jury understand that as the Defendant, my client doesn't have to prove anything. If the Plaintiff cannot prove his/her case, my client wins. In a criminal case you must be espousing "you have nothing to fear, if you have nothing to hide."
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  10. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

    122,944
    163,838
    116,973
    Apr 3, 2007
    So only guilty people use the 5th amendment? :D:D
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  11. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,057
    1,138
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    If slut-shaming, victim blaming, misogynist thinking, and other fears aren't the reason up to 80% of all assaults do not get reported, then what are the reasons?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  12. GatorBen

    GatorBen Premium Member

    6,182
    988
    2,968
    Apr 9, 2007
    Assuming Whelan isn't blowing smoke, would seem that there are at least two possibilities that come to mind:

    1) They're confident she knows what it is they have and that she'll drop it without them having to reveal it if she knows they know (although I'm not sure what the scenario that gets there is short of the right wing twitter rumor that "she sent Feinstein effectively the same letter about Gorsuch, which is why Feinstein didn't do anything with it originally and is now hedging that she doesn't know whether the allegations are accurate or not," which doesn't seem particularly likely); or

    2) They need her to fully commit to what the accusation is first so it doesn't change to try to explain away their evidence (something like "Kavanaugh was gone the whole summer of 1982" where they don't want her to go "oh, well in that case maybe it was 1983").
     
  13. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

    16,847
    5,787
    3,213
    Oct 30, 2017
    Why would an innocent person refuse to tell the FBI the truth?
     
  14. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

    35,370
    1,742
    2,258
    Apr 8, 2007
    I didn't say you did. That came from another person here trying to turn this into the typical "Nothing happened, but if it did, it was her fault." I thought that was clear.
    Same with the person who said why she didn't tell her parents. I thought it was clear it was someone else here.
    Of course, I read the story, and you should, too. She doesn't say how many people were there. Seriously, 'widely reported?' That's reason enough to claim it's true?
     
  15. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

    16,847
    5,787
    3,213
    Oct 30, 2017
    Roles are reversed here. This isn't a criminal trial. Kavanaugh has to convince the Senate that he's telling the truth.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  16. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

    16,847
    5,787
    3,213
    Oct 30, 2017
    I guess we'll see. I think if he had an ace in the hole, he'd play it. The 1982 thing would be devastating regardless of whether he played it now or then.
     
  17. llm85

    llm85 GC Hall of Fame

    Sep 1, 2011
    Naples
    Telling the truth in regards to what? There is nothing before the committee the indicates that Kavanaugh has not told the truth.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  18. CaptUSMCNole

    CaptUSMCNole Premium Member

    3,055
    188
    393
    May 23, 2007
    NCR
    Then what is number? If it is not 5 or 6, what is it?

    The number of people at the party is very important as those are the people who can back up Dr. Ford's version of the events. As of right now the number 5 is what the news has been reporting. It was Ford, Kavanaugh, Judge, Smyth, and one other person.

    According to Ford's letter to Difi, she says it was herself and four boys.

    Read the letter Christine Blasey Ford sent accusing Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct - CNNPolitics
     
  19. philobeddoe

    philobeddoe GC Hall of Fame

    5,930
    87
    373
    Apr 11, 2007
    You stated ……..

    " Had she come forward 35+ years ago, Dr. Ford would have been slut-shamed,"


    You have no idea if this would have happened. None. You are willing to assume and opine as much …. but you don't know that it would have happened.

     
  20. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,057
    1,138
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    It's happening today. 35+ years ago, the environment was even more tilted towards men. I can't say 100% certain she would have been slut-shamed, but I can say with 99.99% confidence it would have happened.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1